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Former Mobile circuit court judge Herman Thomas unsuccessfully testified in defense of his right to practice law today as the Alabama State Bar Association turned down his appeal, upholding their suspension of his law license.
Thomas’s lawyer, “Cowboy Bob” Clark said he and his client would move forward in regards to the Bar’s denial.
Thomas, who testified on his own behalf instead of exercising his option to plead the fifth, was presented with semen samples found in his “little room” that matched the DNA of a person named in the 57 count indictment filed against him, according to general counsel for the Alabama State Bar Association.
Thomas and Clark on March 27.
He was also presented with Judicial Inquiry Commission complaints he hadn’t seen since just before he resigned from the bench in 2007, though the specifics of those complaints were not immediately available. These complaints were put together by Mobile County District Attorney John Tyson Jr. and sealed off by the JIC after Thomas resigned.
Tony McClain of the Alabama State Bar said this evidence was presented in order to get it on the record for today’s panel.
“We were provided with information from the district attorney’s investigators on some semen samples taken from the room adjacent to Thomas’s courtroom and apparently one of those proved to be from a criminal defendant. His name had come up in some other investigations that were being done down there with regard to the allegations contained in the indictment (filed against Thomas),” McClain said. “One of them was named in the indictment and the other was not. All we did was offer that information, we didn’t get into the details of those particular test results.”
“There was no DNA that belonged to Herman Thomas. It’s not an issue. Nobody had any of his (Thomas’s) DNA,” Clark said. “If it was my client’s DNA, I might consider that a problem, but hell, how much DNA is there in that courthouse over there?”
The State Bar also filed three of the complaints that led to Thomas’s resignation from the bench, but until today had not been made a matter of record.
“We also provided copies of those three complaints that Mr. Tyson’s office filed with the Judicial Inquiries Commission and those were exhibited at today’s hearing also,” McClain said. “Some of them were quite lengthy as you could imagine with a 57 count indictment. I don’t have immediate recall from those.”
Tyson commented on the complaints filed today – complaints he originally compiled in 2007 – saying they “are the ones that supplied the motive for all of the others.” The others, Tyson said, are more technical in nature. He also said the complaints will show that his office has been involved in the Thomas case from the beginning.
“Rather than respond to them, he (Thomas) quit,” Tyson said. That information should indicate a long time involvement of this office into the judge’s issues.
“When the Attorney General (Troy King) abandoned his duties to the JIC, the JIC rushed to the governor who gave them $100,000 to hire a new lawyer to handle that work. They ran out of money – and so they turned to us to supply all of the support for the continuing work of the Judicial Inquiries Commission principally in the form of our investigators and this office did all that work way back when. Until today, no one has known that.”
With the mounting evidence presented at Thomas’s appeal today, McClain felt comfortable that the State Bar was prepared, regardless of whether Thomas testified or not.
“It was time for him to tell his side of the story, and that’s what he did,” Clark said of their decision to have Thomas testify.
“We were prepared either way, if he took the fifth, or he gave testimony on the issues we wanted to ask about. So, you know, that was their call from a criminal defense standpoint. I’m sure he and Mr. Clark discussed that -and decided that was the best thing to do today,” McClain said.
McClain said today’s events unfolded as they should have from his point of view.
“We had suspended him on a law that requires us to show probable cause – that he is a risk or danger to the public, or to his clients. And today was the responsibility of them (Clark and Thomas) to show why that restraining order or suspension should be lifted. So, since we had sought the suspension we were obviously pleased with the fact that it was sustained or upheld by the disciplinary commission,” McClain said.
jm says:
April 21, 2009
12:51 AM
Make him buy his own leather pants! Or at least pull his old ones out of the attic.
Hey blue, if you don’t mind, drop me an email. I want to ask you a music-related question without clogging up the Lagniappe message boards. Send it to: jm5jm5jm5 at yahoo.com. Be sure to use an anonymous email address in case I'm a “Psycho killer. Qu’est-ce que c’est? Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better run run run run run run run awaaaaaay.”
bluedotbama says:
April 20, 2009
08:43 AM
He can't have my leather pants!
jm says:
April 19, 2009
11:16 PM
Doh!
smac says:
April 19, 2009
10:39 PM
You know you’re right. What have I become? I never made it as a wise man. I couldn’t cut it as a poor man stealing. Tired of living like a blind man. I’m sick of sight without a sense of feeling. And this is how you remind me. This is how you remind me of what I really am.
Take THAT!
jm says:
April 19, 2009
09:58 PM
Smac, I love you, but that wasn’t very nice. “I see your soul, it’s kinda gray. You see my heart, you look away….Don’t say a prayer, because you could never find, what this life’s for.”
You go ahead and laugh at us, but I’m not the only one who understands my rock and roll philosophies. “My stage is shared by many millions, who lift their hands up high because they feel this. We are one, we are strong. The more you hold us down, the more we press on. What if you did? What if you lied? What if I avenge, an eye for an eye?”
But don’t worry, I’ll turn the other cheek and I’ll forgive you. Though you mock me, I won’t turn you away. I’ll still teach you all my rock and roll wisdom. “With arms wide open, under the sunlight. Welcome to this place, I’ll show you everything , with arms wide open.”
You make me sad when you make fun of my relentless singing. Why, I can barely take it any more. “Hold me now. I’m six feet from the edge and I’m thinking, maybe six feet ain’t so far down.” Ok, maybe I’m kidding and it only makes me sing louder. But seriously.
We’ve got to rise above this mutual mockery and improve our relationship. “Can you take me higher, to the place where blind men see? Can you take me higher, to the place with golden streets?”
A-hahahahahahaha. As painful as that was for me, it was worth it. Keep up the attitude, and it’s gonna be all Creed, all the time. Take that.
jm says:
April 19, 2009
09:19 PM
Very nice, Blue. Needs-a-smac is right. I loves me some Zeppelin.
Ya'll were supposed to go today for the Avalon Music Festival. I looked for Tyson’s face everywhere (haha). I was at Cathedral Square with my little picnic, wondering where everyone was at. I was standing there feeling blue, so I started singing:
“Now I will stand in the rain on the corner. I’ll watch the people go shuffling downtown. Another ten minutes no longer, and then I’m turning around. The clock on the wall’s moving slower. My heart it sinks to the ground. And the storm that I thought would blow over, clouds the light of the love that I found.”
So I just ate my lunch and played in the water fountain. After over an hour, a man came up and asked me if I knew how to get to the temple where they had moved the Arts festival. “Oh,” I said. “That’s why I was here. They should have put up a sign or something.” And then he pointed towards the sign near the street and said, “Well, they did.” So then I started heading towards the temple singing:
“I’ll run in the rain till I’m breathless. When I’m breathless, I’ll run till I drop, hey. The thoughts of a fool’s kind of careless. I’m just a fool waiting on the wrong block, oh yeah.”
Somebody should try reading her newspaper every now and then. The show was fun, but noticeably missing a certain dance. Wow, it would make my entire year to have a chance to do the “Praise You” dance with Tyson in leather pants. If you've got any connections whatsoever, please make that happen.
smac says:
April 19, 2009
08:32 PM
Lordy, he’s pulling out her Zeppelin.
J, I really do want to hear more about your theories. Seriously. Why don’t you put your adorable genius brain to good use writing a little song about it. We’ll get you a roller rink and some neon lights, and you’ll change the world.
I refuse to sing the crappy guy parts or roller dance in short shorts, but you’re welcome to sing Xanadu any day. That’s why they invented headphones.
Kidding.
bluedotbama says:
April 19, 2009
08:02 AM
Well on short notice without any practice we were uable to gather enought friends for the troup dance. As the friends and kids were told....
dancing days are here again as the summer evenings grow
but they were skeptical
and I said.....
please don't let me be misunderstood
cause the kids would be miles away if they thought Mom and Dad would acutally do that but I told them that.....
Mommies alright, Daddys alright they just seem a little weird
surrender, surrender
but don't give yourself away!
As I see it rock and roll can change the world.
I guess I have successfully convinced the earlier naysayers who accused me of being Tyson. I can't imagine him with a sense of humor or sense or rock and roll. And he probably would not look good in leather pants either.
jm says:
April 18, 2009
10:31 PM
Enough! That was well over twenty years ago! I can’t possibly be the only person you know to lose a tooth in a singing/roller-dancing accident. You try hitting a high note whilst executing a half-axel jump. Besides, it is unwise to make fun of me. I can sing the entire soundtrack - very loudly- and I know precisely where you live.
There will be no full reports. You just want to make a sport of me. It’s not easy being a misunderstood genius. Why do you think Pete Townshend had a mental breakdown?
I don’t know about Christ-like, but rockspeak love is unconditional. It’s a rare talent- not that YOU would understand- and it’s as much about the attitude as it is song choice. There’s got to be some sort of aversion therapy available to deal with a Creed issue. Who knows? Maybe Blue looks good in leather pants and wind blowing through his hair. However, if he starts quoting nothing but Nickelback, I’d leave him for dead.
Guess everybody’s done talking about Herman. You guys meet me in the roller disco message boards. Many more inspirational rock and roll lessons await you.
smac says:
April 18, 2009
05:55 PM
It’s Xanadu girl!!
She not kidding about the moves. Trust me. Ya’ll should have a dance-a-thon to raise money for Herman.
J… O, Angel of Rock and Roll…. write me a full report on your music/worldpeace theories. Please. I want to read it every day. Everyone should. It could be a much cooler version of the Bible.
What I want to know, is your rockspeak love christlike and unconditional? You’d find sympathy for the devil himself if he came at you quoting the Stones, but what if bluedude only talked about Creed songs? Then would you be his friend?
jm says:
April 17, 2009
11:27 PM
This sounds like a plot to lure me in with the promise of a funky fresh street dance session so that Tyson’s henchmen can drag me away. I ain’t falling for that one. j/k
If we end up going and I somehow happen upon your guerilla dance troupe, I’m totally in. Even if I tried to resist, as soon as I heard the music I’d be a goner. My kids too. We’ve got the dope “Praise You” b-boy moves. Man, you’re so lucky your friends will do that.
No need to stick your pen in your heart and spill it all over the stage. Music can unite people even when there’s nothing else left. It’s awesome that way. Our friend Pete Townshend thought that everybody’s individual “notes” could blend to form one perfect harmonious chord, and then we’d all love and understand each other (see “Pure and Easy”). I don’t know about all that, but I know that I can call anyone friend if they know how to communicate in rockspeak. The rest is just details.
Here’s a good one by the Doobie Brothers: “What the people need is a way to make them smile. It ain’t so hard to do if you know how. Gotta get a message, get it on through. Oh now don’t you ask me why. Oh listen to the music! Oh, listen to the music! All the time.”
bluedotbama says:
April 17, 2009
04:44 PM
Uh, not sure why that repeated itself. Maybe Lagniappe liked the comment so much?
And btw....I would love to do the praise you dance too! About half my friends would actually do it. Maybe at arts alive this weekend?
bluedotbama says:
April 17, 2009
04:12 PM
Rockspeak=Good
Herman/dna/spanking/carpet=bad
I have certainly learned something today....and that is I certainly don't need to specify from where my lyrical quotes come but I could check spelling!
I have enjoyed our intellectual exchanges and certainly we have some differences of opinion on these unpleasant matters. I have only tried to speak my opinions and what I considered the truth but.....
If I could dig down deep in my heart
Feelings would flood on the stage
Would it satisfy ya, would it slide on by ya
Would you think this boys insane? He's insane.
....I know its only rock and roll but (we) like it, like it, yes (we) do.
and to those prefer to insult me or call names they are just
vicious
(they) want to hit me with a stick
but all I got is this guitar pick
huh, baby, (they're) so vicious
....and I will come out on top......lol.
Thanks, JM.
bluedotbama says:
April 17, 2009
04:07 PM
Rockspeak=Good
Herman/dna/spanking/carpet=bad
I have certainly learned something today....and that is I certainly don't need to specify from where my lyrical quotes come but I could check spelling!
I have enjoyed our intellectual exchanges and certainly we have some differences of opinion on these unpleasant matters. I have only tried to speak my opinions and what I considered the truth but.....
If I could dig down deep in my heart
Feelings would flood on the stage
Would it satisfy ya, would it slide on by ya
Would you think this boys insane? He's insane.
....I know its only rock and roll but (we) like it, like it, yes (we) do.
and to those prefer to insult me or call names they are just
vicious
(they) want to hit me with a stick
but all I got is this guitar pick
huh, baby, (they're) so vicious
....and I will come out on top......lol.
Thanks, JM.
jm says:
April 17, 2009
12:47 PM
Will break for rockspeak.
Thanks for the praise. I learned a lot about human behavior from having a hard life. See, I was raised by a toothless, bearded hag. I was schooled with a strap right across my back. But it’s alright now. In fact, it’s a gas.
Now, I just try to let the good times roll, and let them knock me around. I let the good times roll, and let them make me a clown.
Everything turned out great. Happy ever after at the JM place, Desmond lets the children lend a hand. I stay at home and do my pretty face, and in the evening I still sing it with the band. Ob-la-di, ob-la-da, life goes on, bra, la la how the life goes on.
I’m so glad two people can still engage in enjoyable rockspeak after all the nastiness in this Herman mess. We’ve come a long, long way together. Through the hard times and the good. I have to celebrate you, Blue. I have to praise you like I should.
LOVE the Fatboy Slim song. I’d do just about anything to get in on that goofy dance in the video. All of my friends think it would be embarrassing for some reason…
bluedotbama says:
April 17, 2009
10:55 AM
Quite observant of human behavior, JM. Guess I should..... praise you like I should (Fat Boy Slim).... for that observation. BTW.....is that the same Jack Mr. Jagger told us about because he is a gas gas gas! ....and in that vein it seems you suggest we should just..... let the good times roll(The Cars) because .....life goes on bra....la la how the life goes on(you know that one).....and if you want some fun take oh bla de bla da. I agree with you on that!
As a point of linguistic clarification: Bra is an Irish term for on and on.
Further it seems we have diverted from the carpet and DNA into rockspeak but a somewhat enjoyable diversion I must say.
jm says:
April 16, 2009
10:38 PM
Eh, what’s the point? Confucious say conquer one vice, another takes its place. Here’s one for you: “You go back, Jack, do it again. Wheel turning round and round. You go back, Jack, do it again.”
bluedotbama says:
April 16, 2009
07:40 PM
Curiosity killed that cat you know. Save yourself from your vile prurient interests!!
jm says:
April 16, 2009
07:24 PM
No way. Not after the way you’ve behaved. From now on, all you get is cold tile. Wait…make that hoseable concrete. And no more posters over your windows either. We want to be able to see what you’re doing in there, Room 806.
room806 says:
April 16, 2009
05:12 PM
Can I have my carpet back?
jm says:
April 15, 2009
01:50 PM
You’re right. I totally missed the stick figure series. Fascinating theory. Ha!
smac says:
April 15, 2009
12:20 PM
Cute.
Those were just my thinking doodles. Look on the other side of the paper.
jm says:
April 14, 2009
11:22 PM
Dammit Blue, you caught me. I put on a good case, but really, it’s all about the prurience. That was a great comment, especially your last paragraph.
Good thinking smac. Great report, btw. I really liked the triangles and all the smiley-face doodles. I also thought your 3-dimensional cubes were among the finest I’ve seen and made an excellent point. The spider web on the bottom left corner provided much insight into the hidden dark side of this issue. Well done.
smac says:
April 14, 2009
07:07 PM
Um… exactly what JM said. I don’t want to make it any more obvious how much smarter she is than me. That was beautiful and absolutely brilliant.
bluedotbama says:
April 14, 2009
04:41 PM
Well said JM.....bravo!
jm says:
April 14, 2009
02:32 PM
There’s no way all sentiments of racism have disappeared, but don’t you feel like focusing too much on the hatred of past generations only reinforces it? My own grandparents were openly racist and it was something I learned to begrudgingly ignore and attribute to ignorance and social conditioning. Did their racism influence me? Absolutely! It influenced me to spend most of my life passionately involved in numerous civil rights causes.
It is naïve to think racism isn’t still an issue. However, I just don’t see how race has anything at all to do with the outrage against Thomas (by most of us). It is true that he happens to be black, but what else is there? If you’re going to put that out there, finish connecting the dots for us.
I think you’re missing the point of the outrage. You’re probably right that the assumptions of guilt go a little overboard in the commentary, but we all know that he’s not yet been proven guilty. The reason for the outrage and admittedly biased attacks on Thomas comes from anger over the fact that if he did what he is accused of doing, he got away with it for WAY too long.
If Thomas is unfairly prosecuted (because of race or ANY other motivation), then we are all in trouble because our system is in complete breakdown. If someone proved to me that Thomas was the victim of a racial vendetta, my outrage has only just begun. But I see nothing to suggest that. There has presumably been good evidence to prosecute Thomas’ alleged crimes for years, and that is the source of my outrage. Thomas ABSOLUTELY deserves Due Process within the justice system. But it’s not my job to prosecute him, and I don’t owe him Due Process in my thoughts. I’m free to operate on common sense alone.
If I wanted to get racially philosophical about the whole issue, I’d skip right over concern for the wealthy black man who rose to one of the most powerful positions in this town, and I would start with the alleged victims. I’m thrilled to live in a time when we can have a black judge, but far more saddened to live in a time when I still see such a tragically disproportionate number of black families in poverty, and such a tragically disproportionate number of black youth ending up in prison. When you’re born into a situation where you’re told that those who hold the power in your community consider you a second class citizen, the average person often feels resigned to accept a second class existence. If you grow up believing that the deck is already stacked against you, then you’ve got a whole lot of reasons to not even try to overcome. Sometimes it works as a motivator, but more often it works as a self-fulfilling prophecy. That’s no way to break a cycle.
Like I said, I can’t speak for anyone but myself (and maybe smac), but I can tell you that we both spend an awful lot of time thinking about the young black men who we believe were sexually abused by a trusted mentor. I don’t know any of these men, but in my imagination, they barely even had a chance. Many of them were likely failed by those they trusted as children, and then failed again by the justice system. I imagine them as being born into circumstances that set them on a path that led right into prison, and right into the arms of what looks to be a predator disguised as a community leader.
When a few had the bravery to finally speak up, they watched as their alleged abuser received little more than a slap on the wrist. When others with more powerful voices finally got around to speaking up even louder on their behalf, the NAACP and other black leaders chose to get behind their alleged perpetrator BEFORE even allowing their claims to be heard by a jury. Those injustices are what motivate me to use my precious time running my considerably large mouth demanding justice for them- the disenfranchised and almost-forgotten young black victims. If I’m wrong, well then, yeah, I guess I’ll feel pretty dumb and owe Herman quite the apology.
How can we even begin to treat Giardini the same way? We know absolutely nothing about his case. We know he was investigated by the FBI, he resigned from his position, and there was a rumor that it involved some sort of underage sex sting. There is no indictment on public record. There are no statements from alleged victims in the newspaper. There is no evidence of a gigantic cover-up or a years-long delay in prosecution. There are no tragic victims being mocked and ridiculed while their perpetrator goes free. This is apples and oranges.
I have no idea what Giardini did, but I’m absolutely curious to find out. He held a position of great public trust and responsibility, and if he did what the rumors allege, then hell yes, he is a jerkoff. Smac and I both are long-time children’s advocates, and you’d better believe we’ll be outraged. It’s just waaaaay to early to go there. In my own ways, I’ve devoted the majority of my career to trying to help give kids half a chance to keep their lives on the right path. I’d say Giardini and myself, along with a handful of others, probably understand better than anyone in this town the lasting and profound damage caused by sexual assault. If it is true that he is a perpetrator himself, then he’s going to be dealing with my big mouth (or my very loud pen) for a very, very long time. You can bank on that.
bluedotbama says:
April 14, 2009
02:23 PM
BDSM.....? Maybe our inate interest in some prurient subjects is what is driving out intense interest in this story.
I agree that we need to let the system do its job and come to a just conclusion. Nobody wants an innocent person convicted and those that don't think it happens everyday are naive. I have my opinions of whether the allegations are true but am willing to hear everything in a court to have a final opinion. I don't think my opinion will change but am willing to wait and see what is finally told.
I see the difference in the Thomas/Giardini situations is more that there is so much more time and information available in the Thomas matter. We have heard the Thomas stories ad nauseaum but the Giardini story seemed to come out of left field and little if any information concerning him is available. The suggestion that Giardini is somehow getting a bye because of race is innacurate. Frankly, I think he will be turned every which way but loose by time its over as well. I am not sure they won't be come bunk mates at some time in the future.
Race if often a factor because it is made a factor by one party or another when in reality it bears no relationship to the proceedings. As correctly observed above whites made race an issue in a host of public discriminatory practices in the past and now african americans make it an issue when they find it useful for whatever reason in part as a result of those past acts of which they as a grop were victimized. Racism is destructive to our community, state and country. There are racists all around us of both persuasions and we need to call them out for what they are when that ugly face raises its head.
I am equally outraged by both offenders (assuming the allegations are true) and hope the justice system is fair to them, the community, the victims and a just result occurs that is not tainted by race, prejudice, sympathy, delay or any other act that deprives the system of a fair and just disposition.
truthspeaker says:
April 14, 2009
10:50 AM
Wow......why even have a trial? Sounds like everyone with commentary was present at the "alleged" incidents. Everyone immediately go downtown so u can testify please!! And while down there, lets show the same outrage and curiosity for justice with Giardini...Doesn't this whole thing seem bigger than Thomas? Is Giardini a "jerkoff' as well? Reading "Sound Off" and commentary in these different publications show how there is still a cultural divide in our communities. There are so many double standards, on both sides, of these issues that it is so obvious, honestly.I hate the term "using the race card" because there are so many issues where race IS a factor that this component is trivialized. It is amusing to think that, in a country where a group of people were once considered "3/5ths human", that all the sentiments that could lead to such a mentality of racial prejudice have just "disappeared"!! A couple of generations ago!! Grandparents!!!Poof!!! I am saying this on both sides because obviously support for Thomas is in part racially motivated because it is a conditioned reaction because of past injustices and a long, deep history of circumstances. In the same way, mostly down racial lines, its like everything that has ever thought about being said about the man is being shouted from the mountain tops at this oppurtunistic time. So right or wrong, I just want JUSTICE to prevail, and the SAME amount of outrage by the SAME people and SAME number of posts with similar circumstances appearing to unfold with Giardini. This is an "easy" oppurtunity to be on the "right" side of the issue and say that dispicable acts are dispicable acts, which they ARE, but please lets not pretend that this whole story has nothing to do with race and that its just convaluted because one side has brought it up because its politically incorrect for the other side to mention...I hate that its one of the main things Thomas's side has brought up because they should be worried about other things in their defense; at the same time, peolpe know, at least people I have come in contact with within the court system in DIFFERENT RACES that their are other motivations for this thing than just "justice". As a friend of many in the court system, animosity against Thomas has been downtown for YEARS....long before he was even suspected of something like these actions. Fact. He may have just now given them the bait they need for the party. It is right now a side "so convenient" of something bigger. I'll just sit back and listen to and read coverage and comments on Giardini in these same publications to see if its equal response. Again, the same probably can be said for Black publications as far as double standards in coverage; but, at the least, on both sides, race is in this thing....JUSTICE. Is this whole thing really JUST about justice? REALLY?
smac says:
April 13, 2009
11:35 PM
Yes Ma'am
jm says:
April 13, 2009
11:31 PM
Here’s hoping they didn’t use “Tyson” as their safe word.
Oh, I kid the DA. I honestly can’t figure out what is going on with this one. You’re right, there’s more to it. Have your full report on my desk in triplicate by the end of the day tomorrow.
smac says:
April 13, 2009
11:16 PM
I had a little downtime after my last round of gun slinging. This case is really starting to piss me off.
BDSM…Now that’s a good defense.
jm says:
April 13, 2009
10:20 PM
Hey smac-y! Fancy meeting you around these here parts. Ain’t you got some steer to rope or horses to wrangle? Paces to pace, maybe?
Is spanking “violence?” Well I guess that really all depends on whether or not you like it, doesn’t it?
I really don’t know. That’s a good question. Are other kinds of sexual assault considered violence for purposes of the statute? I'm not sure how all that works. I always thought you got arrested right after you got reported for committing a whole bunch of sexual assaults, so I don't know that it comes up all that often. I have heard of cases where the victim fails to report a sexual assault and loses their chance, so I'm guessing it's a problem.
If all else fails, maybe they’ll nail him on the drug-related stuff. I don’t believe there’s a statute of limitation on drug trafficking, as it is well known to be the worst crime in the history of all mankind. He'd probably get more time for that than all the rest put together.
If they’re all lost causes, my pal Clint would most assuredly round up a posse that would likely include Chuck Norris AND Charles Bronson. And while he’s pulling badasses away from peddling home gyms and raising the dead, he may as well throw in the apostle Jude for good measure. I’m sure someone in that outfit could manage to handle the situation.
PS…. How many times do I have to tell you it is bad form to reference bowel cleansings on newspaper message boards? The rest of us are here to discuss highly intellectual topics such as spanking judges. Unless you were making a BDSM joke. Then by all means, carry on...
smac says:
April 13, 2009
08:42 PM
So JM….. You think spanking would be considered “violence?” What happens if they’re all lost causes? What would your Clint Eastwood do then?
If Spanky gets away with this, whose fault will it be and what do we do about it? No matter how you look at it, I don’t see how Tyson’s office can dodge blame. He’s in charge around here, right? Anybody who ever watched a movie knows the feds F things up half the time anyhow. I bet my sorry ass would be rotting in jail if I didn’t pay my speeding tickets on time, and this guy can stroll around the courthouse making his pockets fat practicing law for a couple years after all this mess? Who knows what else he’s been doing? If my kid got messed with in that Pheonix program because nobody prosecuted that jerkoff, I’d be wanting to deal with the whole lot of them cowboy style.
I think there’s more to this story than we know.
smac says:
April 13, 2009
08:41 PM
This town needs an enema.
jm says:
April 13, 2009
04:45 PM
Ok, if I did this right, it looks like it's three years from the time of the offense. Yikes! That's tight considering the delay.
But the criminal code also says there is NO TIME LIMIT for "Any felony involving the use, attempted use, or threat of, violence to a person," or "Any felony involving serious physical injury or death of a person," or "Any sex offense involving a victim under 16 years of age, regardless of whether it involves force or serious physical injury or death."
So does that mean the vast majority of the crimes, assuming the victims were adults and there was no "serious injury" or threats of violence are lost causes? This doesn't sound good.
jm says:
April 13, 2009
04:33 PM
I have some of the same questions for Diogenes. If I understand your post correctly, you say King dropped out because the JIC’s intended punishment was not severe enough. I don’t follow the reasoning there. Why would he not dig in even further and push for removal?
You’ve said on several posts that the statutes of limitation have run on the claims. Are you referring to the charges in the indictment, or additional charges that were left out? I may be mistaken, but my understanding of grand jury indictments is that since the suspect is not given an opportunity to put on a defense, the prosecution has the responsibility of bringing forth the charges in good faith and making sure they are not barred by the statute of limitations. If all of the charges are barred, then it’s a bad indictment, right?
It seems like there’s a good chance he could spend the rest of his natural life in prison if convicted on the 57 counts listed, so there may be no practical effect if some of the older offenses are barred. However, it still sucks if some of the victims can not seek justice regarding their own cases because of a time bar. So it’s a valid point either way if the statute is up on ANY of the claims, but I’m just trying to clarify what effect the statute of limitations actually has on the case.
Does anyone know the time limits for those charges or when the alleged activity occurred?
Blue, you can find the indictment on the story of Thomas’ arrest on the WKRG website.
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/will_grand_jury_indict_former_judge/24877/
bluedotbama says:
April 13, 2009
02:24 PM
I see we have what appears to be an insider in the blogs. That's cool because there are some things that seem to me contradictory or at least perhaps because I am not so learned that its above me. Perhaps all knowing diogenes can answer or clarify.
If the JIC already decided too take removal from the bench off the table and they hired an attorney after King backed out why did Thomas ever resign? Why did King just go forward and ignore the JIC? Do they have some sort of control over him? It seems to me if the fix was in so to speak with the JIC and they were paying the attorney that result seems somewhat odd and contradictory.
What was time between the reporting of the behavior of Thomas to the JIC and the conclusion....his resignation? When was the trial scheduled if that's what it was called?
There is a lot of concern that after his resignation that Thomas' odd behavior continued. Is that true? Who did it involve and who knew?
I have never read the indictment and am not sure where to find a copy of it but have the statute of limitations ran on all these offenses? If they have why bother with an indictment? If they have not why worry with the statute of limitations because it seems to me whether he is convicted of 1, 10, 40 or 57 charges he is in deep trouble?
What is the status of the federal investigation? I only hear that its ongoing.
I have a few cop and lawyer friends and they tell me that Kulakowski has been frozen out of the federal and state investigations because both groups consider him sort of an unreliable kook and want nothing to do with him. Is that true?
In Rob's other articles he portrays King as sort of a vindictive nut. Is that article accurate?
On the delay, I see cases that are years old reported in the paper after trial,etc. so how is this different? One rumor I heard was that Tyson was content to let the feds conduct the investigation and charge Thomas rationalizing it as saving Alabama taxpayers time and money but the feds backed out and Tyson decided to move forward. Is that true?
Who else in the courthouse knew of what Thomas was doing while on the bench? Other judges?
Is there a connection between Thomas and Giardini?
boo says:
April 11, 2009
08:46 AM
If King hadn't backed out because he disagreed with the settlement to allow Thomas a suspension, the Thomas would still be on the bench today!! The story around the court house was that JIC was simply going to suspend Thomas. I agree with the post above on that issue as it is how I remember it too. The difference between John and Troy is that King is not going to go around painting himself as having done something he didn't do. Tyson on the other hand is going to make himself out to the hero in every case. Have you ever heard him talk about a murder trial. It's never about the cops and detectives its always about his office. Ever hear King speak, its always about the cops. Big difference between the two in my opinion.
billybob says:
April 10, 2009
11:21 AM
Problem is -he says he will continue to be involved with the "community programs". No thanks!!. I guess the Atty Gen. ofice is staying out of this one. Tyson & the feds should be able to do the job. oy King is busy with other things. Interestingly, Thomas has been charged. Giardini has not. I guess the bar will eventually revoke his license also (if charged).Is it such a shock that lawyers do not want to be associated with Thomas. How could he continue to practice (law) in a Mobile courtroom anyway. His clients would be at a loss. Especially the one's who know nothing of the charges. I'd like to compare Thomas to Michael Vick, but since Tomas has not been convicted, that's unfair to do. If he is convicted his license should be permanately revked.Just as Vick should be forever banned from the NFL. You cannott behave in this manner and expext to continue to be a part of associations or organizations.
diogenes says:
April 10, 2009
10:39 AM
A couple of "factual " incorrections in this article need fine tuning. Tyson's did not, I repeat did not, put together the Judicial Inquiry Complaint that was presented to the Judicial Inquiry Commission investigation of , then judge Herman Thomas. The investigation and report presented to JIC were accomplised by a private firm hired by Doug Jones who took over after Troy King bailed out of his duties. When King quit because JIC was determined to just "suspend" Herman but King also wanted removal as a sanction, on the agenda. JIC hired a private attorney Doug Jones to present it's case at the JIC hearings and Jones then hired a private investigation firm A to Z Confidential Investigations Inc., owned by Mike Callahan, a retired FBI special agent. Callahan, a very private company, was allowed by Tyson to set up a private office on the 7th floor in Tyson's office. The JIC investigation was conducted entirely by Callahan's firm A to Z Confidential Investigations, Inc. For Tyson to claim HE conducted the JIC investigation and prepared the report that was presented to JIC is completly at odds with the truth. The taking of victim statements, conducting polygraphs, typing the statments, editing and writiing the JIC report, as well the delivery and report of the investigation, was done with the hands-on supervision of Mike Callahan, the owner of A to Z Confidentil Iinvestigations, Inc.
It is true, however, that Tyson's investigators assisted Callahan. Who else, you might ask, was invited into Callahan's private firm to assist Callahan? Joe Kulakowski, a private citizen lawyer, who was seen virtually every day entering the 7th floor heading to the office space lent to A to Z Confidential Investigations, Inc. and supervised by Callahan. When the "A team", brought down from Birmingham, went to lunch, it would not be unusal to see Mr. K in their company. But you would never see Tyson in their company. I question whether Tyson ever had access to Callahan's report due, in part, to Callahan's guarding against LEAKS. Ex- FBI man MIKE CALLAHAN, not tyson, "PUT TOGETHER" and it was MIKE CALLAHAN, not tyson, that delieved the report to the Judicial Inquiry Commission of his (CALLAHAN'S) investigation.
I expect Tyson, in his press release, was confused with his investigation of coo-coo Judge DuBose, in which he did the heavy lifting in preparing that report that was sent to JIC, with Tyson's claiming that he put together the JIC Investigation Report on Heman Thomas. These are two competely different investigtions and are as different as ...as say black and white or say "very intense" or say "a gimmie".
I pose the following query. If Tyson had all this factual data about Thomas over two years ago, why did he let the statute of limitations run on these criminal cases before enpanelling a grand jury.
It is intellectually dishonest for Tyson to take credit for the work done by Mike Callahan and his team of employees from A to Z Confidential Investigations Inc. and for the work of Mr. K. Providing private office space does not equate to conducting the investigation and preparing the report that was presented to the Judicial Inquiry Commision.
aprildd007 says:
April 10, 2009
08:14 AM
NAACP should be ashamed for supporting Herman Thomas. What Thomas did (I know he is innocent until proven guilty, but I'm sure he will be proven guilty) was the same as the slave girls being raped by their Masters in slavery days. The NAACP should stay far away from having their organization associated with Thomas. He has brought slavery back and has brought it back to his own race.
gulfcoastxtreme says:
April 09, 2009
07:35 PM
As my wife has worked in the law field for many years, I have drawn the conclusion that most ALL lawyers are ABOVE the LAW...They MAKE the laws...They BREAK the laws...They are conceited, arrogant, vain, and any other synonym meaning self-absorbed...The simple fact is, if you have a great STAGE presents you start thinking as if your are HOLLYWOOD ROYALTY and ABOVE THE LAW...As for the NAACP...I / WE see what they are all about...Does anyone really know what NAACP stand for...National Association for the Advancement of COLORED PEOPLE...RIGHT OR WRONG...it's all about Color/Race/Ethnicity or any other synonym meaning other than WHITE...The fact is he ABUSED his POSITION...If I abuse my position I go to JAIL...
PL&S
GCX
bluedotbama says:
April 09, 2009
07:11 PM
Take an aspirin Homer.
jm says:
April 09, 2009
05:55 PM
tripencrypt, I agree. It seems like the NAACP might have had a major attention-grabbing cause if they’d taken up the other side. “Young blacks abused by the justice system for years!” People might have paid attention to that and been concerned.
I don’t know that any of this needs to be about race, but if you’re gonna pick a sympathetic cause and then make it about race, you’d be better off raising money for the victims and demanding to know how this thing went on for so long. Once all the evidence starts to come out and denial becomes almost impossible, I suspect they are going to be wishing they’d taken up for the underdog. That’s supposed to be the true spirit of their cause anyway.
Sadly, it seems they've somehow aligned themselves with someone who's hurt the black community immensely.
homer says:
April 09, 2009
05:54 PM
Just seeing Bluedot posts makes my brain hurt. If they had all this stuff readyto go, and were well aware of what was going on, how come they felt it was ok to leave him playing with little boys in the phoenix program? Everything they are saying right now is making past activities fit today's work. They might have "investigated" but they had no intention of prosecuting.
jm says:
April 09, 2009
05:38 PM
Right on, Tom! That was a great comment.
tripencrypt says:
April 09, 2009
05:35 PM
Nevermind, I found it already!
tripencrypt says:
April 09, 2009
05:18 PM
The NAACP is defending Herman Thomas? Wow, talk about irony! Here is a man who abused his judicial power and some of those he took advantage of are African-American. I always thought the NAACP was about helping the little guy against abuses of power. Regardless, it does not appear that Mr. Thomas will be practicing law in the State of Alabama anytime soon, if ever.
Hey Lagniappe, how about a link to the indictment itself?
bluedotbama says:
April 09, 2009
05:00 PM
With this disclosure things are beginning to become more clear concerning the DA's involvement. Both the Bar Association and Tyson admit they were involved in these proceedings for some period of time and not in response to this recent media coverage and speculation as of late.
alabamaron says:
April 09, 2009
04:31 PM
I concur with both of the above statements. If Mobile is really going to grow, we need to get beyond things like this.
One more comment.... I think the "cowboy" and Thomas deserve each other.
bluedotbama says:
April 09, 2009
02:52 PM
Not only that I was told that he testified and denied any wrongdoing. It's a huge blunder to do that . He is just asking for more trouble. Nothing about this amazes me anymore.
tom says:
April 09, 2009
02:37 PM
It is a disgrace to have political misfits like Judge Thomas defended by the NAACP when they know full well this is not a racial case, but dismissal of a perverted person. A growing,
multi-racial, multi-cultural city like Mobile has no time for these antics. We should be too busy for racial politics and
ashamed of those who promote them. Let my beautiful city grow and prosper!